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May 13, 2018 15:47:36 GMT -5
Post by Benevolent Thomas on May 13, 2018 15:47:36 GMT -5
I rekon y'all would like to establish some sort of system of law and order 'round these parts. Who better to tell us how to live than the very fine citizens of Fort Triumph! Let this be a discussion area for the creation of a regional constitution that would establish the gubment of this region.
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Event Committee
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May 13, 2018 16:07:25 GMT -5
Post by Deadeye Jack on May 13, 2018 16:07:25 GMT -5
So here are my thoughts and it will be similar to what I wrote 4 years ago.
I believe in a Unicameral legislature for the Citizens to vote on things. I think the citizens/town should have most of the power in the government. Things like deciding on Embassies/Voting on WA proposals/Voting on Treaties/Creating Laws, etc. The executive should be an elected delegate (Mayor). They will be the face and can do regular executive type things and put together guiding initiatives to help run the region. I'm not a fan of courts as I think they are awful in NS and hamstring the ability of admin to take care of things that need to be taken care of quickly. As long as discipline is done in a way that keeps the faith of the community we shouldn't need Courts
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May 13, 2018 18:06:05 GMT -5
Post by manson on May 13, 2018 18:06:05 GMT -5
I completely agree with Jack. We can the old constitution later or draft a new, similar one.
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May 13, 2018 18:23:12 GMT -5
Post by roavin on May 13, 2018 18:23:12 GMT -5
First, regarding Jack's point on the ability of admin to take care of things - anything that is an administrative issue shouldn't touch any IC government at all, period.
Second, There's no point in doing the "generic" NS government. This isn't a generic NS region. There is a theme here, however, and a forum with a bunch of insane (and glorious) possibilities. So, use the theme. Make it silly. Satirize the old west and apply it to this unique context.
Third, just spitballing, I'm thinking of something that's absolutely batshit silly and encourages corruption in the best way. The mayor is the elected head of government and can do whatever the hell he or she wants within that purview. That includes deciding internal policy, foreign policy, creating agencies, all that fun stuff. However, the mayor has one problem - he or she can't actually do anything except decide things and make pretty speeches. Enter the sheriff, who is also elected. The sheriff is responsible for doing the dirty work. That includes carrying out the stuff that the mayor says (i.e. embassies). Or not doing it, if he doesn't like it. Or insisting that the mayor gives him $10000 to do it. The sheriff also does law enforcement, and if somebody is breaking the law (for example, posting in ALL CAPS in a spam game despite the recent ordinance forbidding it), the sheriff will be all too happy to enforce that law (by setting profile fields, or insisting that you pay money, or maybe making you a deal for money so that the problem just "goes away"). He don't need no stinkin' court either - what are we, Washington? The sheriff is the court. The township, basically the all citizen assembly, elects the mayor and the sheriff to one or two month terms. They can also pass ordinances (for example, don't you dare post in ALL CAPS in a spam game). The sheriff, of course, will be all too happy to enforce those ordinances. Or to not enforce them, if he doesn't like them. Or to enforce them selectively, depending on whether he likes you and it's a tuesday. Finally, the Marshalls are the regional administration (i.e. BT and whoever he picks), and they decide on who is allowed to be in the region or not, separately from the IC government.
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May 13, 2018 18:29:37 GMT -5
Post by manson on May 13, 2018 18:29:37 GMT -5
I like that. I propose longer terms though. Five or six months maybe.
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May 13, 2018 18:32:14 GMT -5
Post by roavin on May 13, 2018 18:32:14 GMT -5
That's way too long, imho. An alternative could be an easy challenge system, of course. Anybody can go before the township and challenge the mayor or sheriff, and if two township members approve, it's up for a vote. Then it's up to the township to decide who gives them the most bribe moneythey like best. The process has to be fast, though.
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May 13, 2018 18:33:38 GMT -5
Post by manson on May 13, 2018 18:33:38 GMT -5
A challenge system would be nice with longer terms.
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May 13, 2018 19:33:21 GMT -5
Post by neop on May 13, 2018 19:33:21 GMT -5
I agree with Roavin's idea for the sheriff and mayor, but I feel like we need a more... appropriate way to decide things.
The mayor should be democratically elected, with a challenge system in place. The sheriff, however, should be decided through a more ridiculous method. This could include anything from a game of chess, to utilizing the NS challenge system, to trivia, idk. Just make it ridiculous. We could place a buffer period between their inauguration and when challenges for the position can be made, just to have some semblance of stability.
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May 13, 2018 19:39:23 GMT -5
Post by roavin on May 13, 2018 19:39:23 GMT -5
Having the sheriff be elected through the township, as is typical, but making it open bribery season seems quite ridiculous to me.
Ooh, another idea. Bribery is illegal and enforced by the Marshalls, who can then sanction the sheriff in the same way as the sheriff can sanction other peeps. Of course, the Marshalls only do it when it's openly talked about. So if the sheriff can hide the bribery through code words and whatnot, the Marshalls are clueless (well, act clueless at least) and will consider the Sheriff an upstanding model citizen of Fort Triumph.
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May 14, 2018 9:04:09 GMT -5
Post by manson on May 14, 2018 9:04:09 GMT -5
We should have a nice and stable government, but a silly theme like Roavin mentioned.
I'm really against bribery though.
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May 14, 2018 10:43:25 GMT -5
Post by neop on May 14, 2018 10:43:25 GMT -5
I’m really for bribery so consider that opinion cancelled out
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May 14, 2018 14:58:44 GMT -5
Post by roavin on May 14, 2018 14:58:44 GMT -5
The Marshals can ensure stability in a general sense. Given that this is a foundered UCR, there really isn't a need to set up anything formal there. That gives the IC government space to be as kooky as it wants!
Hell, I can imagine an IC takeover. Bribe the mayor and sheriff both with sufficient funds and you can have them dissolve the government and install you as chief. The Marshall doesn't care so long as he's not aware of open bribery. And then somebody else can overthrow the chief in turn as well. But be careful, because if a Marshall detects lawlessness, they will swoop in, give everybody a hefty kick in the groin, and appoint a new mayor and sheriff. Without asking you. Who knows who they'll choose!?
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May 14, 2018 15:51:33 GMT -5
Post by roavin on May 14, 2018 15:51:33 GMT -5
A first draft, written in needlessly verbose and hard-to-parse english and intentionally full of loopholes. "State law" basically refers to founders/admins.
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May 14, 2018 15:58:45 GMT -5
Post by manson on May 14, 2018 15:58:45 GMT -5
I like it. I think we should change the title though, it's boring!
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May 14, 2018 16:05:23 GMT -5
Post by Sauron on May 14, 2018 16:05:23 GMT -5
My thinking is the founder should just be an incompetent Governor/Mayor something or other.
He's open to appointing a Sheriff in whatever way he sees fit. After all he's a Governor he can do as he pleases. Maybe he wants to let the people choose, maybe he wants to take a backhander, maybe he wants to give it to the only person who wants it.
So a Sheriff is elected/appointed. Yay.
The Sheriff might be a bit corrupt. Boo bad sheriff. They might want to appoint any number of deputies and do whatever they please. Sheriff might want to be straight edge which is cool.
But the people might form an outlaw gang. The Sheriff can't touch the gang if they have more money. The governors probably scared too, he'll do whatever the gang say.
We all know money and booze makes this town run. Control the saloon/casino you control the town.
Utilise the gifting system to purchase players allegiances.
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